Mir@k
Carbon
There's a distant candle burning, somewhere in the night air...
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Post by Mir@k on Jul 19, 2007 19:34:36 GMT -5
Wait, wasn't eden a floating station? Elysium is a planet, no? Then there must be some kind of difference.
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Post by Servbot42 on Jul 19, 2007 20:25:17 GMT -5
My Sci-fi obsession won't allow me to ignore that. Eden didn't float, it orbited the planet. Eden and Elysium were both stations, but the latter was much larger and more complex.
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Post by NintendoMasterGC on Jul 19, 2007 22:20:36 GMT -5
Technically Elysium is a satellite of Terra and not a planet of its own. During the MML2 ending cutscene (after the credits roll), Data looks up into the sky and sees the faint image of Elysium overhead. For it to be that close (not to mention visible to the naked eye), it would have to be in orbit around Terra.
As for Eden, MML1 makes it pretty clear that the giant space cannon primed to "reinitialize" Kattelox is NOT Eden. If Eden was required to reach "optimal altitude," Eden could not have been the space station. Eden was the cylindrical thingamajig (man, I wish there were a name for that type of thing) that was fired down into Terra's atmosphere by the giant cannon. You'll notice that during the cutscene while Juno is speaking, that gadget appears to be adjusting its height. This would be the "optimal altitude" Juno spoke of finding.
Incidentally, during the MML2 credits roll, the background shows an outer space shot of Terra with Elysium in the foreground. All around Terra are dozens of those giant space cannons. It seems those are the cannons for executing the Carbon Reinitialization Program, a group of which Eden's cannon must be a member. But the main point here is that Elysium is pictured in such close proximity to Terra that it must be a satellite of Terra.
Conclusion:
Terra = planet. Elysium = satellite (or moon, if you want to call it that). Eden = doohickey fired from orbiting space cannon. Space cannon = UOO (unidentified orbiting object).
¿Comprende usted?
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Post by ovanhellsing6x on Sept 23, 2008 13:39:44 GMT -5
If the point of these cannons is to "reintialize" Terra what exactly would they achive by doing this? Stopping carbons from purging the "batteries" or refragmenters? Have they realized diggers as a threat or something?? Im confused...
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Post by Cere on Sept 23, 2008 15:09:41 GMT -5
Because my laptop only has 15 minutes of batteries even under the best conditions, I'll have to make my answer very brief.
'To revive the ancients.'
And I'm sure the other more informed members here can help elaborate.
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Post by ovanhellsing6x on Sept 23, 2008 20:43:05 GMT -5
I was trying to find out who the ancients were but couldn't find anything absolute. I did come across a bit of information, that the carbon "files" were supposed to be erased by the cannons in order to bring back the original carbons or humans. Are those "originals" the ancients? and if so does that mean that Juno and Trigger are ancients?
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Post by Cere on Sept 23, 2008 22:55:40 GMT -5
I'm still filching internet from the school so hopefully it won't disconnet before I finish.
Yes, the Ancients are the original humans that populated Earth/Terra. They can be divided into two categories. 1) the Master's people (a.k.a. Elysians unofficially) 2)the Elders who preceeded the former
The 'cannons' serve two purposes as far as we can tell. 1) Juno: 'population control' to prevent pollution of the surface world by the proliferation of Carbons 2) Yuna: to 'delete' (in other words, kill) every Carbon on the planet & revive the Ancients by probably cloning from the genetic samples stored in Elysium's Library. We can assume that Trigger (the Ancient version of him) somehow failed to delete the files in the Library as instructed, or Sera was unaware that the samples no longer exist when she activated the CRP.
Juno and Trigger can be considered Ancients, the same way that Sera and Geetz called themselves Ancients. Ancient is kinda an umbrella term for anyone who preceeded the Carbon civilization created by the Master. Therefore, it's very vague and incorporates 'bio-androids' (in lack of a better term) like Megaman as well as 'real humans' like the Master.
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Post by ovanhellsing6x on Sept 24, 2008 12:17:31 GMT -5
Thanks alot this really helped and now I'm confused no more!
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Post by Cere on Sept 25, 2008 15:14:12 GMT -5
You're welcome. So... killing humans make more sense now? (I read your other post) As a final note, I should probably add that we still don't know who the Elder are and why the reactivation of their ruins poses a threat to the Carbons. Maybe... Elder dude who wakes up in his house/ruin: I'm alive!!! What the heck? Who are these pink skins sitting on my couch stealing my cable television?! KILL!
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Post by NintendoMasterGC on Sept 25, 2008 16:26:32 GMT -5
Now that I revisit this topic, I think I might have made a mistake.
Juno speaks of Eden reaching "optimal altitude," as I stated already, which seems to indicate that the space cannon could not be Eden. If the cannon is always aimed at Kattelox Island, it'd have to be in geosynchronous orbit -- it can't change its altitude or it'll get thrown off aim.
HOWEVER...
Juno also speaks of the "ten thousand workers aboard Eden." Ten thousand workers, unless microscopic, couldn't possibly fit into the capsule-like object fired from the space cannon. This seems to indicate that the cannon is indeed called Eden.
The only explanation I can come up with for this is that BOTH the cannon and its projectile are called "Eden," and Capcom simply failed to distinguish between the two.
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Post by ovanhellsing6x on Sept 25, 2008 17:35:03 GMT -5
that post made me lol cere but technically the last human on Terra was "The Master" so that's why i guess they don't give a carp about the copies and/or carbons.
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